Oh, William! (Lucy Barton #3) By Elizabeth Strout

Oh william book 2024 Reading Schedule Jan MiddlemarchFeb The Grapes of WrathMar Oliver TwistApr Madame BovaryMay A Clockwork OrangeJun PossessionJul The Folk of the Faraway Tree CollectionAug Crime and PunishmentSep Heart of DarknessOct Moby DickNov Far From the Madding CrowdDec A Tale of Two CitiesConnect With Me Blog Twitter BookTube Facebook Insta 3442773202 Do we ever really know anyone Do we even know ourselves as well as we think we do Elizabeth Strout has a keen understanding of the human condition I ve said than once that she can write about the ordinary in a most extraordinary way.

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No regresso da personagem Lucy Barton protagonista dos romances O meu nome Lucy Barton e Tudo poss vel encontramos desta vez uma mulher madura que conquistou fama e sucesso enquanto escritora Um acontecimento inesperado traz de volta vida de Lucy o seu primeiro marido William algu m que foi sempre um mist rio para ela Misteriosa tamb m a forte liga o que os une ainda Lucy acaba de ficar vi va William atravessa uma crise no seu terceiro casamento enquanto procura descobrir um segredo do passado da m e a Lucy que William pede apoio e companhia Juntos iniciam um p riplo geogr fico e emocional que os levar para longe de Nova Iorque. William tecumseh sherman home in lancaster oh Ao evocar o passado de ambos os tempos da faculdade o nascimento das filhas a dissolu o do casamento e as vidas refeitas com novos companheiros Strout comp e o retrato de uma conviv ncia de d cadas conturbada e c mplice medida que a narrativa avan a entrevemos as for as silenciosas que mant m Lucy e William unidos Percebemos tamb m que para se habitar em pleno uma nova vida preciso sarar feridas e celebrar o que se conquistou. Literature fiction oh, william! kjv Oh William saga familiar cujo esqueleto vai sendo desmontado em camadas assenta num ponto nevr lgico a voz ind mita de Lucy Barton ve culo para uma reflex o profunda e delicada sobre a exist ncia qualidade presente em todos os livros da magistral Elizabeth Strout Um romance luminoso sobre o amor a perda e os segredos de fam lia que regressam sem aviso e nos deixam aturdidos Oh William Lucy Barton 3 I read the Olive books by Elizabeth Strout and loved them so I was super excited to read this new novel of hers Sadly this one isn t for me The whole time I was reading I kept thinking that this books feels plotless and just like it was going nowhere Lucy and Williams characters and the interaction between them is plain boring I did not connect with this book at all I had to push through to finish it Thank you Net Galley and Random House Publishing for an ARC of this book in return for my honest review 3442773202 Elizabeth Strout returns with her beloved Lucy Barton now 63 reflecting on her enduring relationship with scientist William Gerhardt her first husband with whom she has 2 daughters Chrissy and Becka leaving him after almost 20 years of marriage Strout writes exquisitely with her understated prose powerful compassionate empathetic and profoundly moving interspersed with her gentle humour and wit This novel carries her trademark humanity and wisdom her understanding of what it is to be human with her authentic depiction of multigenerational characters family marriage parenthood friendships trauma love loss grief loneliness and the lifelong impact of our childhoods She captures the resilience of the human spirit the joys frustrations fears pain and how we can come to understand ourselves too late in life and perhaps never comprehend those close to us Lucy and William have a intimate and supportive relationship that transcends their later marriages William to Joanne and then Estelle with whom he has a 10 year old daughter Bridget and Lucy who has recently lost husband David Abramson a Hasidic Jew a marriage of soulmates who understood each other and the traumas each had lived through William and Lucy still refer to each other using their longstanding pet names Button and Pillie he is there for her after David s death he still has the familiar distance and unavailability but it does not come between them and their strong bond When William discovers unwelcome secrets about his mother Caroline Cole it is to Lucy he turns asking her to accompany him to Maine to find out It s a trip where each learns about themselves and each other I was particularly touched when William states You steal people s hearts Lucy generating a unforgettable sense of happiness in a Lucy who has always felt invisible and a strong sense of not belonging or having a home. Central ohio fiction writers One of Strout s greatest strengths are her unerring truths about humanity in her brilliant characterisation she left me recognising myself and others I know in elements of her characters and I can be forgiving of William s failings partly because I have known so many similar men particularly in academia Lucy is aware that she brought her own issues to the marriage not least the PTSD she cannot shake acquired as a result of her family and the isolated childhood of extreme poverty in Amgash Illinois although she learns other truths about herself from William that come as of a shock The author s kindness towards and acceptance of our human flaws and her instinctive understanding of long standing human relationships family and marriage are at the heart of this stellar novel A superb read that I highly recommend Many thanks to the publisher for an ARC 3442773202 Lucy Barton my favourite of all of Elizabeth Strout s literary characters returns once again to regale us with her reminiscences and observations. Short stories of william faulkner Lucy is middle aged and recently widowed and her ex husband William is in his seventies and in his third marriage They remained friends after their divorce and respective marriages and supported one another during various difficult times in their lives. Oh, William! epubs air It was shocking to me that William turned out to be such a cheater At one point in this story he assured Lucy that he had never loved any of the women he d had sex with on the side during their marriage Poor Lucy endured the marriage for as long as she could She felt safe with William s authoritative personality he was home to her until she could no longer endure the situation I was glad that she eventually left the marriage and also very glad that she found the love of her life in David Lucy and David understood one another David and she came from nothing as William s mother used to say about Lucy whenever she would introduce Lucy at a gathering that Catherine had been hosting. My heart sings oh william mcdowell Catherine Cole was an enigma Lucy declares She dominated Lucy s life and feelings about herself as long as Catherine lived In the presence of the very haute couture Catherine Lucy felt that she could never escape her very humble past and it ultimately affected her marriage. Book review oh william elizabeth strout A word on the writing style of this novel Lucy was chatting with us She openly addressed the reader throughout the novel The writing was conversational and informal At this later stage in her life Lucy is confident although she still suffers from panic attacks and PTSD and exclaims her feelings all over the place Oh my how I loved Catherine Cole But did she really Who knew the real Catherine Cole Certainly not her son or daughter in law as this story would reveal. Book review oh william elizabeth strout I was so entertained it was like I was having a one sided gossipfest with Lucy Barton I would nod or groan at appropriate intervals but Lucy held court and I listened enraptured Much is explained and becomes clear toward the latter half of the novel Karma is indeed lying in wait for all of us I have always credited Lucy with being a very loving and forgiving person so I always looked forward to the passages in Strout s other novels when Lucy would make a brief appearance. 237 william howard taft cincinnati oh 45219 I didn t know what to make of that ending except to accept that Lucy could not go against her own kind nature and leave William to his own sorrowful devices which is what he deserved That man wasn t even faithful to himself I get that his mother never showed him any affection but he was a scientist an educated man He must have figured out by the age of 70 that he was looking for love in all the wrong places and instant gratification leaves you pretty empty after a while I m glad that Lucy was able to see William clearly in the end Strout credits Laura Linney s performance in the stage adaptation of My Name is Lucy Barton for inspiring Strout to continue Lucy s story I for one am very glad that inspiration struck again A very enjoyable read which I am rating a solid 5 out of 5 entertaining stars. 237 william howard taft cincinnati oh 45219 Please check out this and other reviews on my partnered blog Crossing the Pond Reviews 3442773202 Throughout my marriage to William I had had the image and this was true even when Catherine was alive and so after she died so often I had the private image of William and me as Hansel and Gretel two small kids lost in the woods looking for the breadcrumbs that could lead us home This may sound like it contradicts my saying that the only home I ever had was with William but in my mind they are both true and oddly do not go against each other I am not sure why this is true but it is I suppose because being with Hansel even if we were lost in the woods made me feel safe People are lonely is my point here Many people can t say to those they know well what it is they feel they might want to say My Name is Lucy Barton 2016 had been a very successful novel for Elizabeth Strout She had even written a followup Anything is Possible 2017 a collection of stories in which Lucy visits her Mid West relations after a prolonged absence Laura Linney was starring in a one woman show of the former Strout was there for a rehearsal when Laura opined that maybe William Lucy s ex had had an affair A lightbulb went off for Strout and she realized that William had a story of his own Thus was born Oh William Elizabeth Strout image from Time magazineShe carried forward details about William from the prior books and built outward or dug deeper from there There were some real world elements of William s tale William s father was a German POW held in Maine and his mother the wife of a farmer who was using POW labor fell in love with him and left her husband The POW camp is a real place So my husband and I took a field trip We went up there we went to all the places that Lucy and William go on their own trip and I took furious notes on everything I saw And when we came back I settled down and wrote their story RandomHouse Book Club kitCaveat LectorYou should know before diving in too far that while I have read Strout s Olive books I have not read her prior Lucy Barton books As Oh William is a third in that stack this is not a trivial shortcoming There are likely to be connections between this book and the prior two that I missed But I have read up on those a bit and acquired some gist That said I believe Oh William can be read enjoyed and hopefully reviewed as a stand alone Just sayin cards on the table. Oh william elizabeth strout kindle books On the other hand I felt very personally touched and engaged by the novel I am of a common demographic with William we even share TWO names and re viewing the events of a lifetime is a natural hazard of this place in our existence One thinks about the ages the events the people the possibilities the chances missed and caught the attempts that failed or succeeded the misreads and the insights the absence of understanding and the wise perceptions maybe the bullets dodged the awful relationships that never happened the good ones that did maybe the actual bullets that impacted elsewhere In a way one might see this novel as a look back over William s life from the point of his final days A life examined It could also be seen as the life of a relationship examined the intersection of two trunks Lucy and William meeting intertwining then branching out in separate but linked directions In any such examination whether of a life or relationship it is natural I believe to wonder what might have been Could we have performed better in the roles in which we were cast or in which we had cast ourselves To wonder why the director led us to this spot to stage right instead of left and always wondering at the playwright and whether there was ever a script at all This question of choices is one Strout takes on here How much freedom of choice is there actually how much decision making William and Lucy talk about her decision to leave him I would like to know I really would like to when does a person actually choose anything You tell me I thought about this. Oh william book He continued Once every so often at the very most I think someone actually chooses something Otherwise we re following something we don t even know what it is but we follow it Lucy So no I don t think you chose to leave After a moment I asked Are you saying you don t believe in free will William put both hands to his head for a moment Oh stop with the free will crap he said He kept walking back and forth as he spoke and he pushed his hand through his white hair I m talking about choosing things You know I knew a guy who worked in the Obama administration and he was there to help make choices And he told me that very very few times did they actually have to make a choice This was taken from a conversation Strout actually had with an Obama official about how the decisions to be made were so obvious that there was little choosing required And I always found that so interesting Because it s true We just do we just do Lucy And how might it be that so much of our lives is so constrained A lot of that is based on where we began Marx would call it class and that is a very powerful force indeed Strout digs into the specific roots of this for her characters Lucy had grown up poor and miserable I have no memory of my mother ever touching any of her children except in violence and never felt entirely comfortable persistently invisible even I have always thought that if there was a big corkboard and on that board was a pin for every person who ever lived there would be no pin for me in the middle class world in which she lived with William a parasitologist researcher a nod to her father of the same profession and teacher despite her successful authorial career despite living in a nice neighborhood in Manhattan despite raising successful children She is not the only major character haunted by an impoverished childhood It is made quite clear that this other character had been severely damaged by that experience and that it had driven many life decisions The external of the story is William s discovery at age seventy one that he has a half sister he had never known about William and Lucy had remained on friendly terms despite their divorce and subsequent remarryings William s third wife has left him Lucy is widowed He asks her go to Maine with him to look into this never suspected sibling Although it seems a bit odd Lucy agrees to go along It gives them both opportunities to look back not just on their own lives but on the lives of William s parents Coming to this revelation so late in life raises an issue Is it ever really possible to truly know anyone Lucy had kept much of her early life hidden away William s mother Catherine a very large presence in their marriage had done the same William had kept plenty of secrets during their marriage including multiple affairs He covered his true feelings with a friendly fa ade and Lucy loathed him for that But Lucy had kept a part of herself turned away from him as well Her family s rejection of her marriage to William left a lasting scar The externals of their trip reveal some buried truths but this is a novel about internals not physical action. Oh william by elizabeth strout How does one cope with the challenges of dealing with other people with those to whom we are closest There is the challenge of knowing who they truly are in the first place And then there is the challenge of letting our true selves be seen to allow ourselves to be vulnerable to trust others with our most delicate emotional parts This is almost certainly universal Who among us does not have at least one secret and I would bet that most have that we keep hidden even from our closest friends our lovers our mates parents children priests shrinks not to mention the police There was an amazing film released in 1973 Ingmar Bergman s Scenes From a Marriage Recently remade for HBO It examines ten years of a union doomed to failure The original was a revelation for me My gf at the time urged me not to see it concerned about the impact on my view of whatever it was we had Oh William reminded me of that less as a forensic analysis of a marital corpse but as a broader view of a lifelong connection in their marriage and beyond it a friendship It looks at what went into building their marriage at what kept it from being than it was and at the impact of William s mother on their lives Even after they split up Lucy often says He is the only home I ever had One of the many triumphs of Oh William is how Strout offers up many small bits pointing out the things about their interactions with each other that drove them crazy that show without telling He stared at me and then I realized he wasn t really seeing me Did you sleep I asked him and he broke into a smile then his mustache moving and he said I did How crazy is that I slept like a baby He did not ask about my sleep and I did not tell him. Oh, William! epubs The past is our inevitable root We are not ents that can simply follow our needs and drag ourselves away from where we sprouted That past is inescapable even if we can change our external circumstances move up in the world move away from the painful parts that formed us But we live in the present and the past often appears to the here and now in the form of ghosts of one sort or another When William and Lucy visit Fort Fairfield in Maine it is truly a ghost town barely even a town any Images they see in the local library conjure a long dead era In a way their marriage if not their friendship is a spectral presence long dead although still hovering in the room. William hale piqua oh I usually try to come up with something that did not sit well in a book gripes of one sort or another elements that might have been better This time really I got nuthin There is so much in this novel that is beautifully portrayed insightful wise and moving A penetrating portrait of two people and their half century of connection warts and all Oh William is a masterwork by one of our greatest fiction writers at the peak of her creative power Oh Elizabeth You ve done it again There have been a few times and I mean recently when I feel the curtain of my childhood descend around me once again A terrible enclosure a quiet horror This is the feeling and it was my entire childhood and it came back to me with a whoosh the other day To remember so quietly yet vividly to have it re presented to me in this way the sense of doom I grew up with knowing I could never leave that house except to go to school which meant the world to me even though I had no friends there but I was out of the house to have this come back to me presented a domain of dull and terrifying dreariness to me There was no escape. Book oh william Review posted November 5 2021Publication dates Hardcover October 19 2021 Trade paperback April 26 2022I received an ARE of Oh William from Random House in return for a fair review Thanks folks and thanks to NetGalley for facilitating This review has been or soon will be cross posted on my site Coot s Reviews Stop by and say Hi EXTRA STUFFLinks to the author s personal Twitter and FB pagesInterviews The Guardian Elizabeth Strout I ve thought about death every day since I was 10 by Kate Kellaway Time Elizabeth Strout Knows We Can t Escape the Past by Annabel Gutterman Entertainment Weekly Howe a literary conscious uncoupling and Laura Linney helped Elizabeth Strout write Oh William by Seija Rankin Bookpage Elizabeth Strout The heart and soul of an emotional spy by Alice Cary for Anything is Possible WBUR Author Elizabeth Strout explores marriage memory and class in Oh William audio 9 26My reviews of other books by Strout b 2019 Olive Again 2008 Olive KitteridgeItems of Interest from the author WBUR excerpt Random House Book Club Kit Literary Hub excerpt 3442773202 Dear Ms Strout is bringing back to Amgash series and author Lucy Burton with the third novel by taking us emotional journey about her ex husband William the daughters they raised her loss of her husbandsthe career she built confidence she gained her walk down to the memory lane of her childhood It was so illuminating to hear a clear real genuine natural voice talks with you honestly sharing her memories coming clean about her complex feelings self critiquing about herself her life choices and the realistic friendship she s formed with her husband William for years even their marriage failed her sincerity and the way she tells her story like you re talking to her face to face while you re sharing a bottle of wine easily help you to connect with her She s getting through a lot poverty neglect punishment loneliness from her childhood freedom self discovery experiencing new things at college and marriage with Williamher relationship with her mother in law Catherine who mostly act so kind around her but also made her question about her self worth the betrayal of her husband the invisible wall she s built around them Stressful Cayman island trips khaki shorts disinterest about golf losing the safety she felt for her husbanddivorcefinding her own worth learning to express herself via wordsexperiencing relationshipshelping William when he hits the bottom as like he helped him to get through the loss her husband being one who is keeping his secrets for years Years have passed they married with different people they evolved they changed they got older but they were always for each other for the hardest times they ve been getting through A honest emotional unique story is told by one of sincerest direct storyteller Lucy Barton who is created by skillful Pulitzer Prize winner author Of course Olive will always be my favorite character she gave birth but this book helped me to resonate with Lucy Barton as well when I have a chance to know about her Special thanks to NetGalley and Random House Publishing Group for sharing this digital reviewer copy with me in exchange my honest opinions 3442773202 Oh, William! (Lucy Barton #3)4. Short stories of william shakespeare 5 stars Elizabeth Strout has the most binge able writing style I can t wait to go and read everything else she has ever written immediately 3442773202 Oh Book Review Time Sorry I couldn t resist Lucy is going through a transitional time in her life Her husband David has just died and Lucy is thinking through her life At the same time her first husband William is going through a difficult patch in his life as well These two team up and go on an adventure together. William miller youngstown oh Oh William is a bit of a mixed review thus the three star rating The positives Oh William had some really interesting and complex relationships which were not all clich s This book also didn t have a tremendous amount of characters The main characters Lucy and William really carried the book Oh William is the third book in a series however while I had not previously read the other books this book was pretty easy to pick up. William t. best van buren oh What could use improvement The prose was poorly developed and the book was short but it felt long largely as a result of the author having paragraphs which were too long and the entire book is exactly two chapters not an exaggeration There were too many sentences with I Although the storyline plot was enjoyable the book was missing quotable quotes Finally this book wasn t light at all It definitely gave off The Ride Share vibes a couple embarking on a hilarious road trip together but this book lacked the funny. William buckman painesville oh Overall a short read that packs a punch but better editing would have made that punch much stronger Thanks NetGalley and she respects her readers enough to never overexplain which makes for an enriching reading experience Perhaps Strout says it best on her website It is not good or bad that interests me as a writer but the murkiness of human experience and the consistent imperfections of our lives Elizabeth Strout This is a short book but it demands to be read slowly and savored to pick up the nuances as often there is to be read between the lines than what is actually being said It s one of those quiet books that grows on you with reflection Lucy Barton of Anything is Possible and My Name is Lucy Barton is now in her 60s and a widow She and William her first husband and the father of her children have been divorced for years but remain friendly William is going through a rough spot as he discovers the truth about his family history that has left him wondering if he ever truly knew his mother at all Lucy talks to us as if we were sitting down and having a chat She had an impoverished childhood filled with things so horrendous that she can t even speak of them but is now a successful celebrated author William is often cold and distant and was an unfaithful husband to his wives As Lucy helps William through his current crisis we are privy to her most private and introspective thoughts as she works out the mystery of who she is and her relationships with others This a profound reflection on the human condition and relationships between spouses parents and children Oh William can be Oh anybody for don t we all have those secret places within us full of doubts struggles and weaknesses This is the way of life Lucy says the many things we do not know until it is too late Olive Kitteridge first stole my heart but Lucy is in the running as my favorite Strout character Lucy makes me want to be a better person who can see the human weaknesses behind the fa ade to show grace and understanding to others because we do not know their personal struggles and demons I received a digital copy via Netgalley for review All opinions are my own This was a buddy read with my friend Marialyce and one that inspired much reflection and discussion 3442773202 People are lonely is my point here Many people can t say to those they know well what it is they feel they might want to say A couple of weeks ago I had my heart broken by Sally Rooney Shortly thereafter I decided to let Elizabeth Strout take a crack at smashing it to smithereens Yep that did it Oh Friends There s nothing left of it now This little novel can be read at lightning speed but Lucy Barton s effect on me will be everlasting One could say this is a novel about William or about Lucy s attempt to understand her past marriage to William Why she was drawn to him in the first place and William to her Why she still feels a strong connection to him and vice versa Well yes of course it is about that But it s also an attempt to understand our connections to others those we know quite well or think we do those whom we know very little or those we see as a passing figure in our lives or perhaps one we ve never even seen before Imagine if you will a huge web of invisible connections between all human beings Something about us that is part of a greater picture whether or not you believe in some higher being In whatever way you can think of such a thing just humor me a bit here Are there some people that can sense this connection better than others They may not understand it but they can feel it Could this then lead to empathy in certain persons If so then I believe that Lucy has been gifted with a massive share of this empathy Not only does she feel things herself she is highly sensitive to what others are going through as well This can only happen through a strong desire to truly understand another I have never had a feeling of belonging to any group of people Yet here I was in rural Maine and what had just come to me was an understanding I think that is the only way I can put it of these people in their houses these few houses we passed by It was an odd thing but it was real for a few moments I felt this that I understood where I was And even also that I loved the people we did not see who inhabited the few houses and who had their trucks in the front of these houses This is what I almost felt This is what I felt Oh Lucy I do know what you are talking about Your musings go here there and everywhere much like our own minds work Instead of sitting down to tea with you and having a chat I felt like I was inside your head And while I was there I felt your pain your confusion and your joy Lucy is a quiet person she feels herself invisible but what she has to say resonates loud and clear She questions those choices we make Were they the right ones Don t we all ask ourselves this constantly And how we feel about something should not be discounted It is a lived experience and when one wants to share it with another we are really just hoping for an ear to listen We aren t looking for answers or to be told we are wrong about how we feel How can our emotions be wrong Poor Lucy knows what it s like to be brushed off and it is indeed a very lonesome feeling A secretion of loneliness came to me Because what I had said was true This is a short book that contains a whole lot of substance If you haven t read Elizabeth Strout at all please do Her writing is effortless yet elegant and highly affecting If you ve read and loved Lucy Barton s stories then this is a must read Every time I read her bits of wisdom I feel so enriched This is the way of life the many things we do not know until it is too late 3442773202 Elizabeth Strout writes perfectly about our common human imperfections She creates characters who are so realistic that it s just so natural to understand what they are feeling or thinking even if their experiences are different from ours Lucy Barton is one of those so real characters and she s back If you enjoyed My Name Is Lucy Barton and Anything Is Possible this is a must read It continues Lucy s story later in her life when she s in her sixties and unlike the first two which are connected stories this one is a novel Lucy tells us in the beginning of the book that this story is about her ex husband William but it s soon apparent that it s also about Lucy and the people in her life and by the end of the book we know it s about all of us really as Stout beautifully reflects on what we recognize as true in life I was drawn in immediately with Lucy s introspective and intimate thoughts Lucy and William have been divorced for years but have remained good friends who rely on each other who can be brutally honest with each other and still the tender closeness between them is touching He asks for her help now as he struggles with changes in his life and trying to deal with a revelation about his mother s past Lucy of course steps up and is there to help William forward but that means going to the past his mother s as well as his Lucy s past is present here as well and it s heartbreaking when she recounts her relationship with her mother the abject poverty she came from the traumatic experiences of her childhood her divorce from William and the death of her second husband But somehow I felt the same uplifting feeling as in the other books in the series knowing where Lucy has come to in her life given where she came from. Oh william pdf I love how she tells the story with caveats at times with stunning honesty so we always see the good and the bad of situations what Lucy loves about people and what she doesn t things she doesn t necessarily like about herself her own fears and feelings of inadequacy at times I need to say this though But there is also this Without giving away William s story as told by Lucy I ll just say that Lucy Barton is one of my favorite characters and Elizabeth Stout is one of my favorite writers Strout dedicates this book to her husband And to anyone who needs it this if for you What a beautiful sentiment What an extraordinary writer I received an advanced copy of this book from Random House through NetGalley 3442773202

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Elizabeth Strout is the author of several novels including Abide with Me a national bestseller and BookSense pick and Amy and Isabelle which won the Los Angeles Times Art Seidenbaum Award for First Fiction and the Chicago Tribune Heartland Prize and was a finalist for the PEN Faulkner Award and the Orange Prize in England In 2009 she was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for her book Olive Kitteridge Her short stories have been published in a number of magazines including The New Yorker She teaches at the Master of Fine Arts program at Queens University of Charlotte:

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For a copy of this book in exchange for my fair and honest opinion. Oh, william! literature fiction and science My thanks to the author publisher and NetGalley for an ARC of this novel in exchange for an honest review, Dr william ervine middlefield oh When I was young there was no escape is what I am saying..